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. we have breaking news in from the israeli defense forces who who has just posted online, quoting now, that they are now launching an extensive attack on many centers of the terrorist organization hamas in the gaza strip. they say there are more details to come. of course, a note of caution from our reporters on the ground. this is not the expected ground incursion that people have been anticipating could potentially happen. that is something they are anticipating because you have seen hundreds of thousands of israeli reservists amassing on the gaza border. this is something everyone is
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watching closely. you heard us discussing whether or not there will be a humanitarian corridor for the civilians. the millions of gazaans still there. the interior ones. we will follow all the latest developments here. thank you some for joining us here on "t source." cnn news night with abby philip is up next. we are at a perilous moment in the war between israel and hamas. appears israeli forces are on the cusp of a ground operation as retaliatory strikes are underway over the skies of gaza. right now president biden face as life-or-death dilemma. would american forces be sent to rescue hostages? some of whom are bloefd to be u.s. citizens. i am. i'm abby philip. this is news night. >> we just had several rockets
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that we just saw being fired from gaza. the iron dome is intercepting overhead. we are less than 10 kilometers, six or seven miles from the gaza border. this happened really right above our heads. and behind us what is happening here, too, is you have these armored personnel carriers that are in a formation. again, this is -- these are the scenes we have been seeing all across these communities in southern -- in israel across from gaza border, is preparations. preparations. this massive mobilization that is happening of troops, 300,000 troops that are all starting to mobilize here. >> tragically, the death toll is rising tonight. the attacks by hamas killing more than 1,200 people in israel. thousands more are hurt. in the wake of these strikes, following the massacre. palestinian officials say more than 1,100 with have been killed
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in gaza. among those killed in israel, 22 american citizens and 17 more are still missing. the president and his administration speaking today on the fate of those hostages. >> we want make it real clear, we are working on every aspect of the hostage crisis in israel, including deploying experts to advise and assist with recovery efforts. there is a lot we are doing. i have not given up hope of bringing these folks home. >> so about those who remain hostages right now, has the president ruled out sending any american forces of any kind into gaza at any time to help secure their release if necessary to get them home safely? >> we haven't made any operational decisions with respect to hostage recovery at time. we haven't made any decisions about hostage recovery at this time. >> and in the meantime, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu says that every member of hamas is a dead man as the israelis christopher morel tanks
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and forces to the gaza border. let's go to my colleague anderson cooper. he is on the ground 19 miles north of the gaza border. anderson, we just heard from the idf what they're calling large-scale strikes are underway at this very moment. what do you know? >> repor that . >> reporter: we are 19 miles from the gaza border. normally, over the last several nights we have been able to hear the steady pounding of our artillery and occasional jets flying over, bombing tarlgets inside gaza. we have not heard that over the last several hours. while the idf says they are triking a number of targets? gaza, it must be a different part of gaza we normally hear from this vantage point. but as jeremy diamond was
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reporting, the bombardment in gaza has been massive, it has been constant, and it is in preparation for what is widely expected to be a ground operation, some 300,000 reservists have been called up. people are -- israeli zcitizens have been coming back to israel in order to fight alongside israel. and the question is when will that occur. there has been a unity cabinet formed, prime minister benjamin netanyahu, the leading opposition, benny gantz, former defense minister has joined with benjamin netanyahu. so that was one of the stages that people thought might be necessary in order to give confidence to people in advance of some sort of a ground operation. >> and, anderson, you know, with every passing second really israel is facing some really
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difficult choice on the issue of hostages, of which there could be as many as 150 or more. tonight a senior hamas official says that it's too early to exchange israeli hostages. but you spoke earlier tonight with a young woman whose grandmother was taken by hamas. what did she tell new you sn /* /* you? >> this young woman, you know, we have seen the video. i think you probalem have of. 572-year-old grandmother sandwiched between two hamas gunmen on a motorcycle being -- who has been kidnapped and they are driving her through the streets in gaza. that is -- this woman, her name is anad, she is the granddaughter tv that woman. and for her family, that was the proof of life that the only -- the only proof of life they have had that their grandmother has been kidnapped and taken to gaza by these killers who shot to
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death her grandfather. the husband of that woman on motorcycle. so we are -- we have been talking to so many families who have loved ones missing or kidnapped, and it certainly complicates any advancing -- any ground operation that the israelis are planning. the fate, what to do with the about 150 hostages and how much that will be taken into account in terms of the planning and the execution of a ground operation. >> all right. anderson, keep us updated as the night goes on on any strikes that we see tonight as the potential for this ground operation seems to increase by the moment. we appreciate you joining us. and tonight israel preparing for a ground operation and mobilizing forces with its border with the gaza strip. now, one of the country's largest mobilizations in history could very well be underway
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shortly. positioning 300,000 israeli reservists near that border, it signals a possible invasion could be imminent. let's break this down at the map with a former deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine and eurasia under president obama. evelyn, israel is describing this as large scale strikes in gaza tonight and we're seeing the troops -- you saw it in jeremy's live shot, amassed at the border. i want to just show everyone here what we're talking about when we talk about the work requirements. and what would that mean for israel to move into gaza from its territory? >> yeah, i mean, all of your coverage has indicated heavily populated, densely populated high-rise building. it's urban. it's difficult under any circumstance. now we know that these terrorists inside of gaza, the hamas fighters, never access to
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drones and so the technological capability they have could also counter any of the israelis coming in with tanks and heavy formations. >> yeah, i mean, as you mentioned, these are, as you can see here, tightly packed. the high-rise buildings whchlt i look at these images i wonder -- these are the aftermath of strikes in the last week. >> right. >> what do you see here as a national security person when you see this kind of terrain, what is israel trying to accomplish with these strikes? >> well, obviously, it's punishment, retribution, they are trying to signal, of course, the civilians probably to take cover, you know, go away as much as they can. >> do you see any tactics in there? >> not really. and i think, you know, getting a little bit ahead of what you might ask about getting hostages out, that's where you really need to have tactics because you need intelligence. you need special operators, frankly. you can't have regular infantry trying to take the hostages back
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because you want to take them back alive. and going through -- i mean even if it's not rubble it's difficult to know where you are. >> and there are those tunnels that are a feature of how hamas operates in gaza. this is just an image here of what one of those tunnels looks like. >> right. and they are hiding likely in there and moving around. the hostages may or may not be in there. most of the accounts by experts and others who know how hamas operates say that the hostages probably won't be kept together, which makes it much more difficult. and i doubt that they have a roster of exactly who they have in their hands. that's also difficult. >> when it comes to the embedding of hamas in the civilian population, which is what israel says has already happened, when we think about a large-scale ground operation there, what happens to palestinians who do want to flee? where do they go? >> looks like there is not much
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option because the egyptian border, too to my knowledge, is not open. >> and this right here. this is that border with egypt. >> yeah. >> all of this right here. this is israel. so they are not -- they are not going -- >> yeah, they are not going there. that's the sea. so, yeah, i mean, i think what we need to be looking for is are there diplomatic efforts underway to try to create a relief valve. of course, you have would have to screen to make sure you are not letting. so the hamas terrorists out with innocent civilians. >> and real quick on the north here with lebanon, we did not see any incursions from lebanon today as feared. what would happen if that were to occur? >> yeah, i mean, that would be, obviously, a two-front situation for israel in terms of military attacks. they have experienced that in the past. they have been relying, frankly, on russia to kind of give them a guarantee that they will keep hezbollah from attacking in the north. last time i was in the golan
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area was couple of years ago and they talked about how they were relying on this russian guarantee which we don't know how long that will hold. every one is holding their breath with the northern border and also, frankly, the west bank, to make sure everything stays calm. >> thank you. >> and tonight a senior hamas official is claiming that saturday's surprise attack on israel has been two years in the making. saying in part, we have been preparing for this for two years. we manufactured a lot. we have local factories for everything. let's go straight to cnn chief global affairs correspondent matthew chance. he is in tel aviv. matthew, what did this official specifically claim? >> reporter: well, i think he gave us a realistic picture of the time it took for hamas to plan this highly sophisticated operation. he was speaking on russian television, one of the arabic language channels. so that's how we have
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encountered this interview he gave to russian television. he said also that none of hamas' allies or supporters knew about zero hour, didn't know exactly what the timing would be for this operation woto be launched. that tallies with some of the sources i have been speaking to in israel. one israeli official told me earlier today that it believed that iran green-lighted the operation by hamas, which killed so many israelis. although the official said that he didn't believe and israeli intelligence didn't suggest that iran knew the actual timing of the operation, nor what the consequences of it would really be. the horrific consequences. i don't think really anybody sort of, like, predicted that, not even hamas. but they were aware -- iran was aware of the operation and the plan before the operation took place. so that's something significant. and that puts a bit of light
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between what the zblirz are saying and what the u.s. is saying, which is that there is no u.s. intelligence, no direct link at this moment that they have established between these attacks against israel by hamas and the regime and individuals inside iran. but it's very early on in this crisis. so we'll see how that develops. also, this hamas official again speaking on russian television said that russia was very supportive of hamas. now, obviously, with we know that russia has a relationship with the palestinian militant group as well as others in the region as well. but no israeli officials that i have spoken to at least are doing a direct connection between what happened here at the weekend and russian involvement. in fact, russia's official position is that it supports a two-state solution, called both sides to step away from bloodshed. that doesn't mean -- to be brief, that doesn't mean this
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crisis doesn't play into the hands of vladimir putin and russia. first of all, it distracts international attention, specially u.s. attention, away from the conflict in ukraine. that may result in a reduced supply of relatiweapons to ukra. it also may push up oil prices. russia is one of the biggest oil suppliers in the world so that could bennett putin's government economically as well. >> very interesting development. how intertwined this official is a seems to say that they are with russia right now. matthew chance, thank you so much. and up next for us, the first images out of the site of a massacre. >> pictures. family photographs on the wall. >> cnn's clarissa ward went to the kibbutz where hamas went door-to-door executing civilians and she spoke to some of the survivors of that siege. >> if you know anything about
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what they do to people in gaza, that is worse than death.
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underway tonight over gaza, we are only beginning to learn the horrors suffered by the residents of a kibbutz in southern israel one of the worst hit communities. more than 100 people there were killed and officials expect to find even more victims as they
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search through the rubble. cnn's clarissa ward was able to gain access to that kibbutz and i want to warn you that the video we are about to show you is violent and hard to watch. >> reporter: it was 7:11 a.m. when the militants arrived. surveillance footage shows them lying in wait until a car arrives. they shoot the driver and enter the compound. more poured in on motorcycles. eerily at ease and in no apparent hurry. thomas hand heard the gunshots and immediately thought of his 8-year-old daughter emily who was staying with a neighbor. >> she doesn't do it very often, but unfortunately that night, that particular night, friday night, she went to sleep at her friend's house. >> reporter: for 12 hours, he says he was pinned down under heavy gunfire, unable to reach his daughter, as hamas went
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door-to-door executing his neighbors. >> waiting. thinking the army are going to be here soon, know, hold on a bit longer. and longer. and longer. >> reporter: by the time the military gained control, this is what remained of the once tranquil community. late wednesday afternoon israeli forces let journalists in for the first time after days of pitched battles. >> i saw houses, fight here myself in the first -- only to get in the kibbutz, only to come from apartment to apartment. it took a lot, a lot, a lot of time. >> does that weigh on your conscience, to know how long it took? >> you know, we have a very different question to ask ourselves. now we look forward to defense,
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the people to take the survival and switch ourself from defense to offensive operation. i'm sure that we ask ourself all the difficult question. >> reporter: for now, there are more pressing questions. the bodies of more than 100 residents have been recovered. but the army says that many more are still missing. >> you can see the amount of blood. this was a massacre. >> reporter: and the full scale of the horrors that transpired here are just starting to come to light. pictures, family photographs on the wall. thomas waited two agonizing days before getting the news. >> i just said, we found emily. she is dead.
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and i wepnt, yes! i went, yes, and smiled. because that is the best news of the possibilities that i knew. that was the best possibility that i was hoping for. she was either dead or in gaza. and if you know anything about what they do to people in gaza, that is worse than death. that is worse than death. the way they treat you. they'd have no food. they'd have no water. she'd be in a dark room filled with christ knows how many people, and terrified every minute, hour, day and possible years to come. so death was a blessing. an absolute blessing. >> reporter: clarissa ward, cnn,
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israel. >> i want to bring in now -- his family was kidnapped in bet 'er i. huh thank you for joining us. i'm so sorry to hear about your family. my understanding is that you don't know where they are. how did you learn that your sister and all of her family were missing? what did you last hear from them? >> so before the -- looking at the photos, the kibbutz, i was brought up there until i was 25. i was living there. my dad, my two sisters. so just watching this videos again, it's heartbreaking, you know. really heartbreaking. about my sister i spoke to her
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when this transpired and i lost touch with her about nine. she was there with her husband and two children. one is 15, a boy and a girl, 13, just had a bar mitzvah in june. and another son, who is older, who is 17. he was not with them. and i spoke to them in the evening. and he said that someone on the kibbutz that i know is with us, pulled them, saw them being pulled out of the house, you know, the safety room, and the terrorists burned the house down, you know, to force them out. and then someone, when they came out, saw them being pulled out alive. so hope is a very good story tell early.
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so because with other stories they showed them on site, this isis-like terrorists, we hope, you know, maybe they are still alive. >> that really captures what you and many other families are experiencing. you mentioned this was your home, this kibbutz. i believe you heard in that story that father's voice. his pain. what were you thinking when you heard that? >> i think it's hard breaking, you know, that the father needs to say the prayer for the dead on your child.
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but in the israeli and jewish history, this happens so many times and every time, you know, it breaks your heart afresh. you know, i know these people. i know probably everybody who is dead there. i was just with my sons in april this year visiting my sister when it was the first time that my boys are a bit older, 25 and 23, really bonded with the cousins, you know. my sister's children, because before they were children, now young adults, so they can talk about football. it was so nice for me and my sister and her husband to see, you know, this bond between the english boys and the israeli boys, you know? and it's just heartbreaking, you know, that this is, you know, savagery, you know. you try to comprehend it, you know. i think biden term is total lack
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of human morality. you know, we just try as human beings, as someone who has some sort of moral values, you know, i was in the military, you know. but, you know, you don't kill children. you don't kill women. you don't kill old people. you don't kill civilians. you know, it's just incomprehendible. you know, i make a plea maybe to hamas, you know, to whoever can help, you know, to convince them to release the children and the women. i think it's probably also against islam to do something like this. it's very difficult, you know. also i feel helpless. normally i go, i do things. so here i'm talking to the media and trying to create awareness. but there is not much i can do more, you know? >> do you ever think about going back?
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you have seen some -- you mentioned you were in the army. does that ever cross your mind? >> yes. you know, i don't think i would like to live in israel. not because of the country or the threat or this. i just found my home somewhere else. this is life, you know. it wasn't like a decision to leave israel. it's my home. i will go if israel need me to fight, i will fight. you know, i was a navy s.e.a.l. combat fighter and officer. so i know, you know, i said for five years. i know what to do. at the moment i'm 60. i don't think i am very useful in this sort of role. if they need me, yes, i will go. and, you know, if something more sinister happens to my sister and the family, if they are not alive and there is a funeral, of course, i will go back. if my dad needs me, i will go
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back. if my sister needs me, i will about go back. so there is no fear in my heart to go back to israel. i just happen to live somewhere else. >> thank you very much for joining us. and we continue to join with you in the hope that your sister and her family are alive and will return at some point. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. thank you for being so kind and gentle to give me this space. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> of course. and up next for us, one republican senator calls this a religious war and is facing some criticism for that tonight. plus, the ominous and cryptic warning from president biden to iran and the backlash intensifies over this war at institutions here at home, including some elite colleges and universities. >> all you politicians who have something on the contrary, i see
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you. q. all you black lives matter people who always have something to say and support everything else, are you quiet now? you too.
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we are continuing to watch the skies light up over israel and gaza tonight as the israelis say that they are launching large-scale attacks at this moment. it's obvious now that religion has played role in this decades-long conflict between the two sides of this and republican senator lindsey graham is making an outright declaration. listen. >> we are in a religious war here. i am with israel. do whatever the hell you have to do to defend yourself. level the place. >> now, tonight democratic congresswoman ilhan omar is responding to graham's description. she said, quote, declaring a holy war on national tv and calling to level a civilian population over 2 million is dangerous and insane. someone please ask republicans if they will condemn these repugnant remarks.
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joining me now is a senior photo-op advisor to president george h.w. bush, the co-author of a book called the genius of israel and it comes out this november. dan, first of all, a true expert in this region, and all the things that have played out here for all of this time. so when you hear lindsey graham's comments, he is calling it a religious or a holy war, what goes through your mind? >> i don't think it's productive right now for a variety of reasons. not the least of which is some of the most outspoken voices right now in israel are israeli arabs showing solidarity with israeli jews against the threat from hamas. i got a text message the other day from a friend of mine who is an active in tel aviv, israeli, muslim, who is horrified about
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what is happening. another israeli arab has been taken hostage. there is a prominent woman on 2001 the israeli television channels, who is israeli who went on the air and instead of speaking hebrew or arabic she spoke in english and wanted to send a message to hamas to say we stand with israel when you are going to attack like this. and so i think the sense of israel and the diversity of israel is sometimes not enough of a spotlight is put on it. it's a diverse country showing incredible solidarity right now. i don't think this language is necessary. >> playing into hamas' hands at this point. they want this to be seen as a religious war. >> yeah. the country is united and we're about to go through a very difficult time the next few weeks. the past few days have been very difficult. and i think that rhetoric -- >> so israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu vowed to,
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quote, crush and eliminate hamas. a lot of people are saying that taking hamas out of the picture is necessary. but the question i wonder is what happens in gaza next? do you get the sense that the israeli government has plan or is prepared for -- >> when hamas is gone? >> yeah. >> not right now. all this happened very quickly, obviously. one could argue that the ground operations -- or the operations should have been ramped up sooner. i think prime minister benjamin netanyahu was trying to form a national unity government which he announced today. he has his war cabinet in place which is important to have leaders of other parties in the cabinet before they commit a major number of troops. i go book to president biden's speech yesterday. it was very powerful. he compared hamas to isis. and repeated. now, hamas -- isis came on the scene in 2014 out of the wreckage of sierra and iraq and over three administrations the obama administration, the trump administration and the biden
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administration, there was a systemic effort not just to degrade isis' capabilities but to wipe them out, including killing their senior leadership. in no world would anyone imagine we are going to fight with isis but at the end we will keep some territory and they can operate, hopefully, won't be as aggressive and trn to live with them. when president biden says haurm is isis, hamas needs to be taken out, wiped out, it can't be responsible for running gaza and the military capabilities in the terrorist groups have to be wiped out. where you go after that is going to be a big challenge. it's a challenge for israel and it's a challenge for the region. >> speaking of which, what is the role of the other arab nations? the saudi crown prince mohammad bin salman said his country is making efforts to stop further escalation. can they help? >> look, i think egypt can help because it's on the other side of the gazan border.
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when the israeli government is telling palestinian citizens to get out of gaza if they can, i think egypt should -- there should be pressure on egypt to welcome them n a post-war situation, some other countries like saudi arabia can help with developing gaza. redeveloping gaza maybe, and i think these countries could maybe play a role, although i am not optimistic, could play a role in trying to get some of the hostages out. but ultimately this is israel's war with hamas and i just think there is a limit to what most of those other countries can do other than just keeping quiet and staying out of it if not expressing support like the united states has done, like to many of the european countries have done for israel need oing defend themself. >> thank you some harvard students under fire after laying the blame for these attacks on israel. i'll speak with a jewish harvard student about the uproar that
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letter is causing. plus, more breaking news tonight. there is a sudden twist in the republican efforts to name a new speaker of the house here at home.
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. tonight there is growing backlash to a letter signed by nearly three dozen student groups at harvard which solely blamed israel for the deadly attacks by hamas. now, that letter accuses the israeli government of being an apartheid regime that forces millions of palestinians in gaza to live in an open air prison. j.j. kimchi is a doctoral student in jewish history at harvard. he has an op-ed in "the wall street journal" now titled harvard shrugs at you hatred. he is the grandson of an auschwitz survivor and joins me now. j.j., that part of the statement i think is what got so many
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people infuriated that israel bears sole responsibility. when you read that, what was your initial response? >> i think my response was the same as many other jewish students, the shock, the horror, the absolute rage because again these are students with whom we share classrooms, dormitories, also sorts of campus spaces. until now we considered them to be colleagues, friends, even if we don't agree with tpoliticall or israel/palestine. we wake up, let's be clear, this was a small-scale holocaust, the butchery, savagery, kidnapping, rape, machine gunning whole jewish families. we think every student, every teacher no matter their political affiliation should condemn this, find it so horrific. fellow students at harvard are excusing this, justifying this. on the campus it's worse.
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in california-berkeley they were celebrating. they had a great event. the fact that our fellow colleagues and students could think that, the fact that they would excuse the murder of our families and eventually us as well, this i don't think makes the harvard campus a safe place at the moment for jews. harvard must address this. >> the leadership of harvard, the president put out a statement a couple of days later. you were not satisfied with that statement. is it that you thought that it was not strongly condemning these student groups enough? >> firstly, yes. what she said was that the student groups do not speak for the university. which was an extraordinarily weak way to put it. doesn't speak for the university? you mean accusing the -- sorry, exonerating the atrocities, excusing this small scale holocaust? that's the best you can do? it's extraordinary to me. was on the harvard campus in the
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horrible chapter of the killing of george floyd. if bun group would have justified that, one group would have said, oh, this is a good thing, this is a good idea, we are behind it, all hell would have broken loose, for good reason. they would have been defunded, h expelled and we jewish students find 31 student groups excusing the mass murder of jews and the harvard administration's response is, you know, weak at best. this is not acceptable. >> several ceos have publicly called on harvard to release the names of the students who signed the letter. they want these students to be blacklisted for jobs and internships. what do you make of that? >> i think any student or certainly leaders of any student group who signed such a letter have proven, number one, completely broken moral compass, that they are willing to excuse and stand by the mass slaughter of jews. they have proven a deficient education. harvard should not just see this
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terrible, you know, outgrowth of hatred. they should ask their question what in our education has led to this? why are students turning around and saying, oh, the mass slaughter of jews, that's a price we should all be willing to pay to meet our political ends. any student whoens endorses tha broken moral compass and completely flawed and completely insufficient education on every level that it is perfectly legitimate for employers to think this is grounds for not hiring anyone. no company should hire anyone who would be willing to do anything other than condemn this in the strongest possible terms. >> thank you very much for sharing that perspective. the wing of the american government that is supposed to decide funding for war zones is now skill without a speaker. but a majority of the house republicans, they are rejecting donald trump's preferred
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candidate for speaker. that would be jing and they are opting for instead congressman steve scalise. that said, 99 republicans right now are not onboard with scalise and he needs 217 votes in order to get the gavel. righ right now he only has 110 leaving him significantly short. now, keep in mind, both scalise and jordan have before refused to acknowledge that 2020 was a legitimate election. >> do you think the election was stolen? >> it's not -- it's states that did not follow the laws set, which the constitution says they are supposed to follow. >> think about same people who told us you could trust the results of this election. >> with me now is senior cnn political analyst john avalon. if scalise or jordan becomes the speaker, i mean, at some level this is actually just a continuation. you would potentially have an
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election tonight in the highest office of the house. to be fair, kevin mccarthy was similarly questioning the results of the election, telling donald trump to fight, even when there was no evidence of fraud. what does this say about republicans right now? >> it says the republican party still has a very muddy moral compass when it comes to basic fact about the next election. that said, jim jordan was someone who was by all accounts involved in trump's attempt to overturn the election. scalise is parroting that party line, i'm not excusing that, but he was less directly involved. and the idea that jordan could somehow reunite the conference for the congress -- is 90 minutes earlier today, is self evidently nonsense. >> isn't it interesting trump endorsed jordan and it had no effect, it seems? >> that's extraordinary. because it is the first crack we are seeing and trump's complete control of the republican party. and i think crucial that it occurred in a secret ballot. still --
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>> that is crucial. >> yeah, because it shows the power of the secret ballot. so there is daylight between the majority of republicans and donald trump demands. that said, scalise is far from sure from being able to couple together a number needs. >> you mentioned nancy mace. she was on with jake today. she said she would not support steve scalise, because he attempted -- attended a white supremacist conference and himself to david duke. okay. the interesting thing is, she took his endorsement, it seems gladly as you can see there, in 2020. she also claims that jim jordan has democratic support, which there is no evidence of. what do you make of that? >> that just laugh out loud moment. look, scalise's argument he's making to his fellow republicans is that there is a greater reservoir of trust that he can accommodate. i spoke to people on the hill, republicans on the hill today. there wasn't he's going to make an appeal individually to the holdouts and he's going to draw
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the rest of her or trust mccarthy did not have. the idea that jordan has a greater sliver of trust to reach out to democrats is self evidently nonsense. it's absurd. he is a hyper partisan lawyer to the extreme. that said, this still is the problem of math and hurting these cats. as you've noted, they have knocked out several speakers before kevin mccarthy. that problem isn't going to go away. >> neither of them are close and, you know, i've told a lot of democrats about jim jordan and steve scalise and there's a big shrugged among democrats. because they think it's fundamentally -- john avalon, thanks throatiness. >> thanks. >> up next, back to israel or large-scale attacks on hamas are underway right now.
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>> i'm going to be honest, there are really no words to explain what i'm about to show you. a young israeli woman, a mother of an infant, learning about the fate of her husband. she escaped as that militants attacked, but he disappeared. here is what unfolded during a live interview on sky news. >> listen, i feel like every minute counts right now. because he's either injured somewhere or either kidnapped or -- >> ma? ? all? >> what we filmed, a phone call came. >> [speaking in a non-english language] >> [speaking in a non-english
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language] >> [speaking in a non-english language] >> the news she directed. he's dead. [crying] >> this is the horror of war. the family have allowed us to show this so that everyone understands what it is like. >> your heart just, it's like a rock and the pit of your stomach to watch something like that. and that's really, laura, you know that so many families are experiencing. that this death toll keeps going up. and that number of missing keeps going up and it's a stor


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